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Hoy refused to back Sir Sean's Olympic call



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Published Date: 25 August 2008
OLYMPIC gold medallist Chris Hoy today refused to back a call by actor Sir Sean Connery for a separate Scottish Olympic team.
The triple gold medal winner has already been quoted as describing a Scottish team – an idea favoured by First Minister Alex Salmond – as "ridiculous".

The actor backed the idea today as he launched his memoirs on his 78th birthday.

The ex-Bond star told the Edinburgh Book Festival: "Scotland should always be a stand-alone nation at whatever, I believe."

But at a press conference later to mark the British Olympians' return, Hoy underlined his British and Scottish credentials.

"I have been very proud to represent Scotland at the Commonwealth Games and that's something I will always cherish, and I will hopefully compete again in future years," he said.

"But today we are here to celebrate being a British team.

"Scotland is part of Britain, they are not mutually exclusive, I'm a proud Scot and I'm a very proud Brit as well."

He went on: "In terms of Scotland becoming an Olympic nation by itself, I think there needs to be a lot more investment in sport up there in terms of facilities again.

"But today is about the British team, really, and we are here to celebrate that."

Before he left Beijing, Hoy was said to have been far more critical of the idea of a separate Scottish team.

He told The Scotsman: "For him (Scottish sports minister Stewart Maxwell) to call for a Scottish Olympic team at this stage is ridiculous.

"I wouldn't have three gold medals hanging round my neck if I wasn't part of the British team.

"I'm a Scottish athlete in a British team and I'm proud to be a British athlete."

A Scottish Government spokesman said: "As we invest in world class sports infrastructure to host Glasgow 2014 – including a new National Velodrome – and a lasting sporting legacy for the whole nation, we can also build up the level of Scotland's sporting ambitions for the future.

"We look forward to discussing all of these issues with Chris Hoy and Scotland's entire sporting community, so that we can build on the fantastic success that our athletes achieved in Beijing, and Melbourne in 2006."

The spokesman added: "We hear Chris's remarks about the sports facilities we have in Scotland at this stage, but as we prepare for Glasgow 2014 we are moving towards significantly better infrastructure which can form the basis of even higher Scottish ambitions for the future in relation to the Olympics and a Scottish team."

Meanwhile, a separate row raged on over Prime Minister Gordon Brown's call for an all Britain football team at the 2012 Olympics in London.
Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson has been approached to manage an all-Britain team.

But Alex Salmond has accused the Prime Minister of an "extraordinary blunder" which would jeopardise the future of the Scottish football team.

Labour leadership contender Cathy Jamieson today offered a compromise solution, in the form of a home nations football tournament whose winner would represent the UK at the Olympics.
She told BBC Radio Scotland the Scottish FA had "concerns" about a Team GB for football.
"The important thing here is that we do give people the opportunity to participate in the Olympics," she told Good Morning Scotland.

"But at the same time I don't think the majority of Scots would want to see the Scotland international team then be unable to compete anywhere else."

SNP MSP Michael Matheson insisted Mr Brown's call was a non-starter as the home nations had made clear they did not intent to participate.

While Fifa president Sepp Blatter previously sought to give reassurances to the home nations, these had not been accepted as Blatter could not tie the hands of future Fifa delegates, he said.

He also dismissed Ms Jamieson's suggestion for a play-off.

"That would be Scotland, England, Northern Ireland or Wales – it would not be a GB team," he said.

"So fundamentally, it does not work, and that is why it was dismissed at a very early stage some years ago."



The full article contains 692 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 25 August 2008 6:37 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Chris Hoy , 2008 Olympics
 
1

Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 25/08/2008 19:02:55
Everytime the lad takes a step it's into another cow pie. Somebody better tell Chris soon to shut the (bleep) up before you embarrass yourself any more.
As for slimey Sepp Bladder (as Robin Williams called him) there's not a lot of trust factor there. Surely the farcical union of GB can choose its footie team anyway it damn pleases with out Sepp sticking his nose in. Just like Cathy Jamieson wants.
It seemed to work that way in the womens marathon when the wee Scots lass got dumped for crass political reasons.
2

Traquir , Alba,

25/08/2008 19:20:43
Speaking of Olympics & Velodromes here
are some interesting
statistics showing how well Scotland is doing
out of this Union,

Cost of Manchester Velodrome without which
Scotland would have won no golds we are told -

£20 million

Cost of London Olympics brand new 2012 Velodrome
original estimate - £40 million
current estimate - £80 million

Monies taken from the Scottish Lottery to
fund the obscenely over budget London Olympics
£184 million
see - tinyurl.com/6pyd43

So basically almost NINE Manchester Velodromes
from the Scottish Lottery Funding alone.

This is just become absolutely scandalous and
everybody knows it is going to be much worse
in terms of even more over-budgeting. In fact
London's complete inability to keep even
remotely to budget is well documented - they
basically just squander their tributes from
their lesser provinces as if it is their
god given right.

"The average overrun in London was 131.5
per cent, almost four times higher than the national average overrun of 33.7 per cent and
making London the worst performing region in the country."

see - tinyurl.com/4swoxk

So London will end up with massive investments
in her infrastructure and has gone massively
over budget with no penalty whatsoever. Scotland
will continue to "invest" millions in this
latest British White Elephant instead of Scots
having the say to decide alternate real investments
we could be using these millions for such
as health care, real business investments,
education,...

These Union "dividends" are getting worse by
the day - Scotland needs to escape this
parasitic Union at the earliest opportunity.
In the meantime not only will our millions
be taken, but we need to say thank you
and praise the investment in the British
Capital and of course we need to get on our bikes
and use them if we have any hope of getting
any medals in the future - absolutely nauseating
stuff, surely there is not much more that Scots
are willing
3

Traquir , Alba,

25/08/2008 19:21:01
cont.

These Union "dividends" are getting worse by
the day - Scotland needs to escape this
parasitic Union at the earliest opportunity.
In the meantime not only will our millions
be taken, but we need to say thank you
and praise the investment in the British
Capital and of course we need to get on our bikes
and use them if we have any hope of getting
any medals in the future - absolutely nauseating
stuff, surely there is not much more that Scots
are willing to stomach from this Union ?

Saor Alba
4

mesmiths,

fife 25/08/2008 19:35:56
#3&4 Spot on (again) Traquir.

It is, understandable, that the unionists are making such an issue of a well known and long standing SNP policy. There is not much to shout about in being British at the moment, and they hope to capitalize on the 'Beijing Bounce' and hope for a bit of good old patriotism. It just might take folks minds off the economy and inflation for a bit too.

To Hoy, very well done! But maybe there would be more investment 'up there' if London didn't always chose to locate it's sites (which we also fund) to be in England.
5

tatties n, neeps,

25/08/2008 19:38:45
Chris Hoy is a Scottish legend who's got off his backside and actually done something to make all Scotsman proud around the world .If he is proud to be Scottish & British then that's good enough for me.Let,s face it #1 nothing will ever heal the chip on your shoulder so leave the big guy alone.
6

Red Etin,

25/08/2008 19:39:44
#5 sm753

London drains the resources of Scotland, and will milk Scotland even more for the Olympics.
In law it is in a foreign country. It even uses different bank notes than Edinburgh. There are not many European capitals you can say that about!
7

Red Etin,

25/08/2008 19:41:17
#7
Why does anyone need to be Scottish and anything?
8

Anne, Glasgow,

25/08/2008 19:43:51
The coverage of GB team in the Olympics was very interesting and illuminating. If an Irish, Welsh or Scotsman were competing, then they're nationality was given whereas if an English was competing, all we were given was the town or county they came from. I suppose they understand that the other nationalities in the UK are not as ignorant about geography as the English. Or that the other nations are a minority and the majority of the athletes are English. Anyway, it only further convinces me that Scotland should compete on it's own in future Olympic games.
9

Westcoaster,

perth 25/08/2008 19:44:42
Traquir , Alba

Any reason why you feel compounded to full up 4 threads with the same dribble just cut and paste cut and paste. thats the problem with you nationalists nothing new to say just the same scratched record, that to is probably an english persons fault as well?
10

WL,

livingston 25/08/2008 19:46:09
#5
London may be the capital of the UK and of England, but it is not the capital of Great Britain (Great Britain is just an island, not a country).
If the olympics are awarded to a city, why were so many events held in places hundreds of miles away from Peking/Beying???
And why was the team called "Team GB" and not "Team UK"??????
11

Phil C,

25/08/2008 19:53:55
Chris Hoy needs to take a long hard look at himself!
12

Westcoaster,

perth 25/08/2008 20:00:21
14 - and say what?

"my god what an incredible achievement, 3 gold medals in one games, all my hard work and sacrifice has been worth it"

Or would you prefer --Oh silly me I shouldn't try hard, I shouldn't win things, winning is bad its for unionists and the devil.

He's a winner you are quite clearly a loser and this country is quickly going that way if people like alex has his way
13

LondonCalling,

25/08/2008 20:04:25
I can understand why the Scots want to go it alone after their tremendous performance in Beijing.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7570978.stm


Let's just hope for them that Chris Hoy isn't injured in 2012.

14

Edinburghs only big team,

25/08/2008 20:06:45
Its a pity that Chris Hoy is a success.

He could have been a bitter failure like every nationalist I've ever met.
15

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 25/08/2008 20:14:59
Hoy looks like a silly little boy who can ride a push bike well but has an over inflated opinion of himself and no understanding of issues that require an IQ.

Looking forward to Olympic failure for the games, London, Team GB (a myth) and the rest of it.
16

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 25/08/2008 20:16:47
Whether you support independence or not, this is not the time to be arguing about nationalities.

If Scotland were an independent country and they were in a 'British Isles' team, e.g. the British Lions, or in the European Ryder Cup team, I would be egging the whole team on. I felt emotionally compelled to support 'Team GB' in Beijing. That is how I felt. Just like when I feel emotionally compelled to want the England soccer team to get beat. It's just how I feel.

So let's forget all this partisan stuff, and congratulate Team GB on a fantastic performance. They did the four nations proud.

Come 2010 we may get a chance to realise a Scottish Olympic team. Until then, we should try and keep politics out of sport. (And that includes you Mr Brown.)
17

Phil C,

25/08/2008 20:18:49
#14

"and say what?

"my god what an incredible achievement, 3 gold medals in one games, all my hard work and sacrifice has been worth it"....

...."I wish I'd been able to do it for my own country"
18

Phil C,

25/08/2008 20:19:28
#20 for #15 sorry!
19

Hamish Scott,

25/08/2008 20:20:38
Although I support a Scottish Olympic team I'm starting to feel sorry for Chris Hoy. The guy's being used as a political football and anything he says magnified by opposing camps. It would help if the Scotsman and other media would try to report him accurately instead of using him.
20

Eve,

Scotland 25/08/2008 20:22:45
Hoy is so niavive!

Scotland will only be allowed to have these spesal units and expert trainers when we have our own team. This will because the unionist 3 will denie such experties to be provided in Scotland because they'll say theres no reason.

Sometimes you need the reason before plans can be made.

If you where going to buliding a book case the 1st thing you would do is think about the style you where going for and NOT deceided not build one because you have no wood or any other of the materials.



Empower the people of Scotland, so the will flourish. And lets empower the athletes of Scotland by letting them repersent their own country instead of a backwards union.

If Hong Kong can have a team then Scotland should defently be alowed a team. It's only fare.
21

Phil C,

25/08/2008 20:23:17
#17 Edinburghs only big team

To a fellow Hibby, you should get out more and try to meet a nationalist. This Union Jack stuff is bad taste, bad for Scotland and bad for you.
22

Traquir , Alba,

25/08/2008 20:24:59
12 Westcoaster,perth

Thanks for your dribble. Given the Scotsman feels fit to copy & past their articles multiple times it seems more than fair to post valid, applicable and factual comments on each and every one of them.

Rather than posting nonsense I suggest you bother to
look at the figures and the expenditure and determine
if you think this is in Scotland's best interests - you
just might learn something.
Equally the massive
"investment" in London for the Olympics
up from £4 billion to now at least £14 billion
see - tinyurl.com/6p43bv
and the absolutely pathetic £2.5 million display
of Britishness just to pass the torch are in
absolutely no way in Scotland's best interests.

see - tinyurl.com/4zr29z

You may regard these vast sums of money
as not important, but I do not. They could
and should be invested for Scotland's
benefit first and foremost. This money is
being diverted from Scotland and will
continue to be diverted
in increasing amounts for the next four years.
If you just want to ignore and/or
wish people don't talk about this
squandering then that is
your choice, but I will not ignore it.

Next time you think about lack of investment
in education, health-care, Scottish based
businesses etc I suggest you think for a second
how these millions being squandered
in the South East could be spent differently
for Scotland, then it will be clear where
your priorities lie.

Slàinte mhor
23

steveenglandandGB,

england 25/08/2008 20:31:18
Chris Hoy is an absolute legend, and I can't believe some of the stupid comments from some idiots in here. I am english and british and immensely proud of the GB team. Scottish athletes have made a phenominal contribution to our success and I am delighted that we compete as one nation.

I totally understand the frustration caused by some of my naive, stupid compatriots who are ill educated and don't understand Scotland, but believe me despite silly weighted polls, the vast majority of england is pro union and I hope it lasts forever! We may have our differnces rather like families and husband/wife, but we are stronger together.

If only the nationalists on both sides of the border could look beyond hatred and pettiness, and look at the overall situation!

Chris Hoy, you are a legend, I am sure most Scots are proud of you, as are all us Brits! Continue into 2012.



24

Mac Father,

25/08/2008 20:32:09
Couple of questions:

Why does anybody give Sir Sean a platform to spout his predictable drivel. Worse, why does a respected (debatable) newspaper then print it?

When are the powers that be going to change the painfully cringe worthy 'Team GB' logo? Are we the only ones who deem it necessary to emphasise that we are a team, as opposed to a disjointed group of quibbling self centred nationalists (English Welsh and NI included).

How well does Alex Salmond think Scotland would do in the medal table, if we stood alone?
25

Eve,

Scotland 25/08/2008 20:35:11
#5 sm753: The UK is no a country its the name given to the union of the crowns. So how can it have a captial.

Well the way yer talking it sounds like Brussels is the only true captital in the EU. Nae luck London. (he he he)

Any way Edinburgh is the capital of Scotland.

#14 Phil C,: Maybe the union Jack hit him on the head yeasterday!!!! It does look heavy in the pictures.

#16 LondonCalling: Yer very materalist.
Some of us can't bring our self to support a team with such a daft name.
26

Hamish Scott,

25/08/2008 20:38:20
#27
Mac - If it's a case of simply getting as high up the medal table as possible then the logic would go for Team EU - which would have come first in China. It will be interesting to see the unionist response to a team EU, I suspect a certain amount of double standards might be involved - as it so often is!
27

Edinburghs only big team,

25/08/2008 20:38:28
24# I've been called many things in my time but thats out of order. The h word.

I fortunately don't frequent the types of places that the natz 'hang out'.

Being employed and all that.



28

Royalty,

25/08/2008 20:40:35
Why does anyone listen to or care about what Sean Connery says anyway.

We'll have a British football team at 2012 despite what narrow minded naysayers like Connery & Salmond say.

Talk about small minded people, they need to wake up and see the big picture.
29

steveenglandandGB,

england 25/08/2008 20:42:27
#29 You miss the point. The EU is not a nation in the United Nations, but the UK is. It's silly and frankly childish to say "why don't we have EU then and win", it's a bit like saying "why don't we have one world team so we can always top the medal table."

Scots Nationalists: Please try to muster more intelligent arguments, this is all rather boring debating with such a bunch of imbeciles.
30

Hamish Scott,

25/08/2008 20:44:51
#31
The 'big picture' is that a team GB at football in the Olympics may end the existence of Scotland's national football team.
31

Edinburghs only big team,

25/08/2008 20:45:30
#31 No - one does except for the Nats.

It's their only Scots high profile supporter (if you count an ageing actor from the Bahamas who can't stand the place enough to to turn up more than once a year and spout nonsense)
32

Eve,

Scotland 25/08/2008 20:48:21
#26 steveenglandand: Thoes of us that don't belive in the union are no where near niave. Nor do we hate anything other than the union it's self. We only want what should be rightfully ours. Home rule and to repersent our selfs on the world stage so to speak.

Belive it or NOT Scot Nats are very open minded unlike other groups of people. We belive in equailty which is something that unionist appear NOT to belive in. (this is based on my personal experences.

I like many Scot Nats am highly educated, with a degree. I'm also dyslexic, so my spelling and grammer can be off at times. So do judge by spelling and grammer.



33

Hamish Scott,

25/08/2008 20:49:01
#32
Steven - the idea of a team EU has already been raised. The EU is evolving into an independent political state with all the trappings of statehood. The Olympics is organised by independent political states, not nations.
34

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25/08/2008 20:49:06
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35

Edinburghs only big team,

25/08/2008 20:50:03
37# Not you again and your one man crusade for negativity and ignorance....
36

Eve,

Scotland bonnie Scotland 25/08/2008 20:55:42
#32 steveenglandand: The UK is no a country it's the name given to the union of the Crowns. Yer history is worse than mine. The UK came about in the 17th centuery.

NOR is "Grate"Birritain
thats the name given to the union of the treaty. This union took place regreatfully in the 18th century.
37

Royalty,

25/08/2008 20:56:58
#33

Personally speaking, that might be no bad thing.

Joking aside, what I would love to see is a British team compete in World Cups & the home nations compete individually in the European Championships.

These Islands gave football to the world & were denying ourselves the chance to win the world cup.

If "team GB" can beat Germany, France, Australia etc
then a British football team (with a Scottish manager obviously) could go all the way.
38

steveenglandandGB,

25/08/2008 20:57:09
#35 Eve, I am not suggesting that all nationalists are naive, but take a look at the other Chris Hoy thread earlier and you will see that 90% of contributions from Nats were naive, and insulting to Chris Hoy, who is a legend of Scotland and Britain.

To say "he is a fool to get involved in politics" is ludicrous. Is Sir (yes he accepted a knighthood) Sean Connery naive for getting involved (from his far off home) as well? Or is it ok for him to continue to spout his nonsense whenever he is compelled to return home to his country.

#32 the EU is a differnt situation and it is not one nation or political state, far from it. I appreciate what you are saying, and acknowledge my slight error, but I still don't think it is a fair comparision.

39

steveenglandandGB,

25/08/2008 20:58:15
Eve, the UK is a nation, did i say country? cant remember, but it is a nation because it is in the UNITED NATIONS.

My history may not be brilliant but I do know that ;)

40

Eve,

Scotland 25/08/2008 21:03:51
#32 steveenglandandGrateBigiot: Whats with the nigative lableing?

Why do you've got nothing postive to say!! Shame.

I feel sorry for you that you don't appear to belive in equailty and feel the need to create stigmas towards certain groups of individauls.

41

Edinburghs only big team,

25/08/2008 21:09:26
42# I once met a Nat who was Positive.

Just Kidding! It never happened of course...


SMILE NATS!!! LIFE IS GREAT - SO IS CHRIS HOY!!!!


HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY!
42

steveenglandandGB,

25/08/2008 21:10:25
#43 I have plenty of positive things to say and already have. It's not me who is knocking one of our sporting heros, calling him selfish, a traitor and saying he is a fool.

Chris Hoy is a legend, I just don't know why so many Nats (evidence this thread and other one earlier) can't be proud.

Is he not Scottish because he says he is British too?
43

Eve,

Scotland 25/08/2008 21:14:54
#41 steveenglandand: It's a union.

The nations are Scotland, England, Walse & Northen Irealand (though I'm a wee bit confused about the last one, NOT being Irish and all)

I'm a very open mined person, very passionate about Scotland, the people of Scotland and belive Independence is best. I see people who are belittle with in the union restrates and refuse to see this as anything else other than a union.

I do not wish any one any harm or disconfort to anyone.

Besides I'd rather say I lived in a country that I can spell. Scotland is really easy to spell and Scottish is too. I have a problem with getting my "R's" and "I's" in the right order. So that bits personal.
44

steveenglandandGB,

25/08/2008 21:18:09
#46 Eve, hey I am going to criticise you for having problems with your Rs and Is. I can't say my 'S's without releasing half a litre of saliva.

Perhaps subconsciously that's why I am pro union because if Scotland became independent I would have to say 'S's more often :)
45

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Eve,

Scotland 25/08/2008 21:27:13
#45 steveenglandand: Ihave labled him any thing negative.

My comment was to do with something I read in the eveing times. He did come agross a bit negative towards Scotland. Steting that he need to leave Scotland to get where he is today.

It's a shame that he appears to want things to carry on that way. That people need to leave Scotland to become a profesional.

It would have been apprasated if he had given pointers on who to improve the training and train fasilties in Scotland instead of slag them off.

I'm a grate beliver in seein the soulion and NOT letting the problem bet you.

God if I had £1 for ever barrier that I overcome I'd be very rich. BUT I haven't so I keep trying and I want tohelp other beat their barrers too. This is why I suport whole heartedly the bid for a Scotland team.

As I belive it would bring the expertise to Scotland, open the door so Scotland has what at the momnet Hoy says he needs BUT cannae get in Scotland.

Hoys no selfish, a traitor or a fool he's a sport man who has done well BUT isn't a visionary person. Can sadly only see whats there and can't picture who things could be.

47

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 25/08/2008 21:28:48
This story aside, Gordon Brown's GB football team has been shot down by all and sundry. And so it should be.

Brown's motivation for such a set up is clear. A number of his seventy paid-up advisors have obviously told him he needs to appear less Scottish. So this is stage three of his trial.

First off we had Gazza's goal against Scotland in '96 as his favourite ever.
Then we had the 'Britishness Test'
Now we've got Team GB soccer.

More things on the way as well I fear. Strict elocution lessons would work. Lulu managed to pull it off.

This is political opportunism at it's most cynical.

On the soccer issue, he's been shot down in flames. Ferguson, Blatter, Scottish, Welsh and N.Irish FAs, even Jim Traynor have called this a non-starter. And worst of all: he's is seriously jeopardising the interests of the home nations in proper football tournaments, both at club and national level. All because of his own image. I hope Fifers remember these antics, because they could lead to Dunfermline, Raith Rovers, etc.. never ever getting back into European football.
48

Eve,

Scotland bonnie Scotland 25/08/2008 21:28:52
oops made a mistake in comment #49 it shoulfd have read.

#45 steveenglandand: I have not labled him any thing negative.

My comment was to do with something I read in the eveing times. He did come agross a bit negative towards Scotland. Steting that he need to leave Scotland to get where he is today.

It's a shame that he appears to want things to carry on that way. That people need to leave Scotland to become a profesional.

It would have been apprasated if he had given pointers on who to improve the training and train fasilties in Scotland instead of slag them off.

I'm a grate beliver in seein the soulion and NOT letting the problem bet you.

God if I had £1 for ever barrier that I overcome I'd be very rich. BUT I haven't so I keep trying and I want tohelp other beat their barrers too. This is why I suport whole heartedly the bid for a Scotland team.

As I belive it would bring the expertise to Scotland, open the door so Scotland has what at the momnet Hoy says he needs BUT cannae get in Scotland.

Hoys no selfish, a traitor or a fool he's a sport man who has done well BUT isn't a visionary person. Can sadly only see whats there and can't picture who things could be.
49

tartangladbach,

edinburgh 25/08/2008 21:41:19
earth calling the unionists? there is no more united kingdom? it was signed away by gordon and co, when the lisbon treaty was signed! you are from january the first 2009, european! united kingdom will be split into six areas, scotland will be one area! it's over guys! so stop bleeting on about a union that's already been disolved! new labour are only annoyed with the snp? beacause like the irish! are putting a spanner in the works! unionist's should not be so misty eyed about the past and have a look at what is happening in the present! an independent scotland is the only logical option!
50

danielrober,

25/08/2008 21:42:51
# 3 Traquir , Alba,

So light weight - how many Olympic medals have you won then? Any, are you the expert on this? NO.

Chris Hoy is talking about his expertise, winning gold medals. He's also been nice about so many things. So Traquir , Alba, ' I think you just need to calm down'. Maybe listen to the guy.
51

Edinburghs only big team,

25/08/2008 21:45:32
52# Please can I get independence from you and your ramblings?

I couldn't give a flying F if people are from Aberdour, Australia or Lichtenstein for that matter.

There is whole world out there.

Open your eyes and mind. THERE ARE NO BARRIERS!!


Be positive for a change FFS.
52

St. George,

England 25/08/2008 21:50:48
Chris Hoy is a credit to Scotland and Great Britain. He seems to be a very nice, pleasant, articulate young man, unlike some of his fellow countrymen.

No. 23 Eve. If your spelling and English are anything to go by, Scotland should be spending more money on education and not sport.
53

Ananurhing,

25/08/2008 21:51:01
Of course Chris Hoy's going to take the position he has. He's a commited athlete, loyal to his team. There's also a knighthood in the offing for him, and if that's what floats his boat, he's earned it.

Can't see what any of this has got to do with the much needed constitutional change required in Scotland. Or what constitutional change has got to do with Chris Hoy. It would be best if he gave the issue a body swerve if it puts him in a difficult position.

Stick to the sport Chris Hoy. Or you run the risk of being accused of meddling in politics for purely selfish narrow reasons.
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danielrober,

25/08/2008 21:53:01
# 51 Eve,Scotland bonnie Scotland

I think he has put forward idea's to improve Scotlands sporting base. It just involves spending money on sports. I'm realy surprised at waht all the fuss is about.
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Am Balach,

Isle of Skye 25/08/2008 21:53:12
Here we have our reptilian media manufacturing a story.

Stewart Maxwell prefaced his quote by saying 'If Scotland was an independent nation...' This of course is missed out and a maniplated statement is put to Chris Hoy, giving the impression that the Scottish Government has said there should be a Scottish team now.

Hence the quote from Hoy where again it is manipulated to give the impression that he believs the concept of a Scottish team is 'ridiculous'. He did not say that.

And magine what Hoy would have said if he had been given the proper Maxwell quote 'If Scotland was independent...'

Of course he would have agreed to a Scottish Olympic team as every other Scot would - even the likes of AM2.

This disgusting rag of a paper has ruined Hoy's triumphant homecoming just so they can start a fight against Alex Salmond and the SNP.

Don't fall into their trap and reserve your ire for the Johstone Press, not Chris Hoy or the SNP.

the Scotsman is beneath contempt.
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tartangladbach,

edinburgh 25/08/2008 21:55:30
54 your head is not only up your ----! but also in the sand, don't let your truth get in the way of the facts! fella! your union jack are now part of history!
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person who's right,

Edinburgh 25/08/2008 22:00:51
An insight into Chris Hoy's upbringing -

I was at the same posh Edinburgh private school as Chris Hoy, and you were effectively brainwashed by pro-Union propaganda from day one (or should that be Day 1, watsonian joke there..).

We were made to sing God Save the Queen, repeatedly. So it's not unexpected that he comes out with this heartfelt Union Jack-waving nonsense - don't hold it against him personally, it's not his fault.
58

Edinburghs only big team,

25/08/2008 22:01:38
59# Who is union Jack?

Is he a muscician??

Please be nice to all human beings = treat them equally.

Also as a Nat - do stop trying to be so negative

SMILE!!!!
59

Edinburghs only big team,

25/08/2008 22:04:23
60#

Its very sad that you need to make up stories to make you not feel so sad.

Can't you get help?

try www.nhs24.com or your local GP can prescribe something I'm sure.







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Ananurhing,

25/08/2008 22:08:29
The other thing I've found slightly distasteful in these Olympics is the way that team GB's successes have been used to bait the Aussies. This Antipodean antipathy is a purely England-Australia thing. So why drag Scotland, Wales and N.I. into it?
Mother England is an irrelevance to the rest of us.
They're all Pommies as far as I'm concerned. Their accents are almost identical too.
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tartangladbach,

edinburgh 25/08/2008 22:10:13
the union jack or like the macdonalds golden arch, is a symbol created to keep the plebs of the time happy and SMILING! amazingly! it still keeps some of todays plebs happy also, as does, the collection of some shinny gold buttons! alas EOBT? your another mistyeyed unionist, that harks back to dutch kings and supports german & greek royalty, and sings about all things british! may i suggest you pop of to bed now, and read RUN SPOT RUN!
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Ananurhing,

25/08/2008 22:16:18
#61

I think you'll find that most 'Nats' can't stop smiling right now, and are feeling very positive, for good reasons.

It's the beleaguered unionists who's faces are tripping them. No wonder. Look who they've got to choose from. Iain Gray, or Tavish Scott. Ho hum!
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Truely English,

25/08/2008 22:17:42
Scottish athletes should be proud to be part of a British Team at the Olympics. We are all the same people sharing the one Island Great Britain and using the same language and participating in the same culture.

The Olympics Team GB are simply an extension of all this one-ness.
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tartangladbach,

EDINBURGH 25/08/2008 22:18:56
60 re-eobt, he is not interested in facts, i think he's been drinking kestral all night, and reading the ladybird book of britain
65

Eve,

Scotland (Sarcasim for for thoes how discriminate 25/08/2008 22:21:27
#55 St. George: ach got nothing to to add to on this subject so you make fun of my dyslexia.

Oh how very intelegent and non judgemental you must be to decate 1/2 of your post to discriminate against poor speling.

P.S. I'm NOT a man. I'm a woman.
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Eve,

Scotland 25/08/2008 22:25:15
#57 danielrober: Well it hasn't been published all that well.

The needs for fasilites and traniers are whats going to make them come to Scotland. Having an olmipc team would be an existing challange watching the aparrently named "team gb" is boireing.
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Eve,

Scotland 25/08/2008 22:26:50
Sorry I'm tierd and making a lot of mistakes.

So night all.

Sweet dreams for everyone about a Scts Olympic team and ofcourse Scottish Indedenpendence.
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A McConnell,

Edinburgh 25/08/2008 22:27:26
ugh, I've read through most of the comments and it's so disheartening, these jingoes are embarrassing and they're giving Scots a bad name with their relentless, fanaticism.
69

A McConnell,

Edinburgh 25/08/2008 22:28:35
P.S. Hoy is a hero, and a patriot.
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Jock Wilson,

25/08/2008 22:43:30
The University of Aberdeen research team have just published a relevant report.

Apparently the length of time that a Scot can enjoy the plaudits of his fellow nationals is 25 minutes and three seconds.

Thereafter, he is torn to shreds by the pack for getting above himself.
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McMillar,

Fife 25/08/2008 22:54:14
Well said #72 and #73, I’d agree entirely. The negatives are quite bizarre and I’m feeling that the nationalist squeeze is getting a tad overpowering. Is it really that unusual to think that 1. Hoy has done a great job and is a true (current) hero. 2. The SNP are going a very good job of running Scotland. 3. A GB football team is no big deal and right for the Olympics. 4. Independence may be a good way to go but not sure yet and don’t want to be pushed into it just yet.

Sir Sean is always vocal and it may sell some more books but his views are diluted a lot by not living here. Easy to comment when you don’t have to live with the consequences. I’m a fan but don’t pay too much attention when he comments about what’s best for Scotland.

Good luck with London 2012.
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European Scot,

25/08/2008 22:57:58
73 Jock Wilson

" The University of Aberdeen research team have just published a relevant report.

Apparently the length of time that a Scot can enjoy the plaudits of his fellow nationals is 25 minutes and three seconds.

Thereafter, he is torn to shreds by the pack for getting above himself."

Clearly this report is not referring to Unionist Scots.
It would normally only take a matter of seconds to tear them to shreds !
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Steve,

Bo'ness 25/08/2008 23:00:55
Chris Hoy is being used by the media in a pathetic attempt to slap down the SNP. He's being wildly misquoted, and we are all seemingly falling for the Scotsman's spin. Don't beleive everything you read.

I want a Scottish team too,-when Scotland is independent. Until then I'll cheer on any Scottish athlete. What's wrong with that?
And why should Hoy endorse independence? He's a cyclist, not a politician.
As for medals, I wouldn't care if Scotland finished last. Surely the spirit of the olympics is the international competition, it's not just about your place in a league table.
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AJ Fife,

25/08/2008 23:17:59
Steve from Boness is as accurate and succinct as ever. The Scotsman is working overtime in attempting to tarnish the SNP's ideals by whatever means. It certainly proves the unionists are fighting desperately to stay afloat.

Hoy is a Scottish great to rank alongside Liddell, Wells and Wilkie. No matter his politics(if he has any), he has written himself into the sporting history books and good luck to the boy.
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25/08/2008 23:18:26
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danielrober,

25/08/2008 23:53:49
# 69 Eve,Scotland

I read your comments not you spelling (mine terrible). Their's just more to life than politics. Sport is oe of those things. Have a good night.
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Royster,

26/08/2008 00:10:15
It's refreshing to hear Chris Hoy's comments. He's the olympian and he should be more in the know about these things than say Alex Salmond who doesn't appear to have done an hour's sport in his life. As for Sean Connery, well Chris Hoy doesn't give him advice about film acting. How many medals did Ireland bring home?
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Darien,

Panama 26/08/2008 00:18:43
"Scotland is part of Britain, they are not mutually exclusive, I'm a proud Scot and I'm a very proud Brit as well."

I am afraid it is getting close to the time when all Scots have to decide which of their supposed dual nationalities takes precedence. For the sincere amongst us there is really no contest. If you are Scots, you will be for Scotland, your nation. But this decision will take courage for some, including the fast cyclist, or any Scot who feels inclined to be wrapped in the subtle misguided warmth of the Union Jack. He would have nothing to lose, and everything to gain, by being a wee bit more patriotic towards his nation. For a start he would really earn some respect from his countryfolk.
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Wynn,

CLYDESDALE 26/08/2008 00:21:43
Anyone unhappy with Eve's spelling should try to read the Subtitles on BBC SCOTLAND news...
But a word to the wise.. don't attempt so to do when drinking any kind of liquid
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Fifi la Bonbon,

26/08/2008 00:29:05
#84, Royster, asked "How many medals did Ireland bring home?"

The answer is one silver and two bronze, all for boxing, and they came sixty-third. Very plucky - they sure showed the Brits.
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abderby,

Edmonton 26/08/2008 00:32:17
on May 10 . 1947 Great Britain 6 Rest of Europe 1 at
Hampden Park,Glasgow .Attendance 137,000

There were 5 English,3 Scottish,2 Welsh and 1 Northern
Ireland players in the GB team.

The football fans of the day thought it was a great
event !
84

Fifi la Bonbon,

26/08/2008 00:36:31
#85, Darien, said - "I am afraid it is getting close to the time when all Scots have to decide which of their supposed dual nationalities takes precedence. For the sincere amongst us there is really no contest."

No it isn't, and it is insulting to suggest tht those of who aren't separatist are "insincere". Let Mr Hoy have his opinion. Respect it and don't attack him or belittle him for having it.

He's a fellow citizen, not a traitor. Or are we only real Scots if we follow your party line? I think I know the answer to that one.
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PoI2,

26/08/2008 01:53:09
Given his background its not surprising to find that Chris Hoy is a unionist. Still less so given that he has obviously shared in the esprit de corps of a successful British team. He is entitled to his opinion and he is obviously a great cyclist but that does not give his opinion on separate Scottish representation at the Olympics special weight. That is a matter for all Scots and like it or not it is a political matter. Personally I think a Scottish Olympic team prior to independence is possible, desirable but highly unlikely and not of the greatest importance.
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Penicuik Laddie,

26/08/2008 11:45:32
"I'm a proud Scot and a proud Brit as well"... The old multi-nationality disorder. You cannae beat it... well you can and preferably with a big stick.

Get on yer bike Hoy, you're a disgrace to Scotland.
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Jofrad,

Cornwall UK 26/08/2008 19:38:36
"Get on yer bike Hoy, you're a disgrace to Scotland."
Yes but a credit to GB
Is this how Scotland treats its heroes ??
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JoeMiddleton,

The Truth is now here 27/08/2008 15:11:27
Actually it was a bunch of lies, truth comes out eventually, surprisingly via the Daily Record!

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2008/08/27/exclusive-scotland-can-stand-alone-at-olympics-with-enough-investment-says-chris-hoy-86908-20713364/

Scotland can stand alone at Olympics.. with enough investment, says Chris Hoy
Aug 27 2008 By Joanne Curran

TRIPLE gold medal hero Chris Hoy last night said he'd be proud to be part of a Scottish Olympic team.

The Edinburgh cyclist rubbished reports that he thought the idea was "ridiculous".

Speaking exclusively to the Record, he told of his pride in his home country.

And he said he believes Scotland could form a world-class team - with the right investment in sports.

Chris was given a hero's welcome when he landed back in Britain on Monday after winning three golds in Beijing.

But the 32-year-old said: "I feel a bit upset that I have been quoted as saying the idea of a Scottish Olympic team is ridiculous.

"If and when a Scottish team was put together, I would be delighted to represent Scotland in the Olympic Games.

"But before that happens, so much needs to be done for the athletes to be able to compete at the highest level.

"As a cyclist, there isn't a facility in Scotland where I can train throughout the year and that's why I have to base myself outside Scotland.

"I am proud to be Scottish, but at the same time it's not feasible to think we can compete as a nation without the right facilities."

Chris - on his way home to an emotional reunion in Edinburgh with lawyer girlfriend Sarra - said major investment would be needed to make a Scottish team successful.

He said: "Right now, around £20million a year is being invested in British cycling so there would be a huge investment required in Scotland."

He backed the campaign to save Edinburgh's Meadowbank stadium, where he trained as a young athlete.

Today, crowds will line Edinburgh's Royal Mile to salute Chris and Sco
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Sassy Nak,

Edinburgh 28/08/2008 13:19:24
TartanGladBach.

you use the phrase:

another mistyeyed unionist, that harks back to dutch kings and supports german & greek royalty, and sings about all things british!

Dutch, German and Greek? You seem to convieniently forgotten the SCOTTISH royalty who started the whole union ball rolling eh?
;-)

 

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